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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hi guys ryan sprague here from somewhere

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in the skies and i really do have to

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change the theme the opening theme for

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the show to not just say with ryan

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sprague because i have my co-pilot with

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me today for this very special live

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stream interview we are doing with the

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one and only avi loeb returning to

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somewhere in the skies again so let's

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bring chrissy in first and uh catch up

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chrissy how you doing hey good how are

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you

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um a lot's going on some exciting stuff

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um a story that avi actually just

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released an article about a few days ago

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if not yesterday i believe that we're

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going to talk about another interstellar

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object um now a lot of people know avi's

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name because of umuah the interstellar

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object that came in and got out of here

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we have an object that actually

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is on the earth in interstellar objects

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so we're going to talk to him all about

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that

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all about the galileo project and what's

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new with that

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all the fascinating stuff with hubble

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and james webb but uh yeah yeah i guess

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should we just bring them in wait a

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yeah let's do it let's do it let's go

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awesome

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avi welcome back to somewhere in the

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skies thanks for having me it's a great

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pleasure good to see you thank you thank

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you i think the last time i had you on

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this show was right when your book came

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out and there have been some incredible

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developments since that including

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galileo which we will talk about but

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let's talk about the most recent

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breaking story um you wrote an article

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on medium recently

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like i mentioned earlier about an

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interstellar object that actually

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came to earth um so i would love if you

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don't mind um can you update us on this

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what it is where it happened and why

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it's so important with the work that

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you're doing right now

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right so this story starts in march 2019

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when i was asked for a radio interview

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in new york city about

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a meteor that

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above the bering sea near kamchatka and

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i didn't know much about meteor so i

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went online and i realized there is a

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catalogue of data on meteors that the

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government released um and it was put

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online by the jet propulsion lab and uh

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i then reached out to my uh

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undergraduate student amir siraj and

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said that why don't we check

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whether the fastest moving meteors could

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have come from outside the solar system

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it's a very simple idea when we launch a

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rocket if the rocket moves fast enough

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it escapes the pool of the earth and if

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it moves even faster it escapes the pull

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of the sun so you can imagine objects

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faster than the escape speed from our

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neighborhood so that they must have

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was a head-on collision with the earth

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moving in the opposite direction so it

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looked as if that object is probably

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bound to the sun but the second fastest

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back in time it had a speed of

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interstellar object and we wrote a

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scientific paper submitted it for

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data but there are no uncertainties in

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the the uncertainties must be small

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ballistic missile will hit boston or new

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york city they can't afford having large

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uncertainties and they don't want to

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reviewer and without success and at the

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alamos and at dinner i expressed my

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frustration that the paper was not

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that person who had the access to people

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beyond the national security fence

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whether he can try and promote the

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uncertainty in the measurements of this

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that was sufficient to imply that it is

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from of interstellar origin but again

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paper for publication it must be

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person and then the editor of the

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journal tried to find a reviewer that

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has a clearance that can look at the

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data but without success so the paper

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was not published from 2019 and then at

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the same time you know within government

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there were people trying to allow the

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government to make a statement that

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the uncertainties are small enough for

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this to be interstellar for sure and it

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took three years and just last week this

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letter was released publicly it was a

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office of the department of defense uh

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to nasa the science division led by

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dr thomas zubrugen saying explicitly

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confidence this meteor is of

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interstellar origin came from outside

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the solar system now this meteor was

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and this meteor produced the fireball

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a percent of the hiroshima bomb

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of a person kind of um it was a small

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object a hundred times smaller than a

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muammua now the reason that we can

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detect it is because it burns up in the

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atmosphere whereas to discover a moa we

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field that

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smaller object and frankly nasa never

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football field so we expect many more

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small objects and if you just do the

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calculation there should be a million of

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sun and you can think of the earth as a

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exoplanet y if we can land on it we can

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colleagues argued for

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things that we've never seen before but

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it's such a mission to come close to an

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colliding with the earth

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it would cost us

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at least a billion dollars we had

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such a mission to visit the asteroid

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bennu it was called the osiris-rex and

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it will actually bring a sample back to

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however when you have a meteor the size

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region where the debris must have

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landed within

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um

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five miles or so within 10 kilometers

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and then it's relatively straightforward

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such a an expedition will not i mean it

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will cost maybe

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one part in 10 000 of a space mission

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okay and we can do it and then we can

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bring the debris to the two laboratories

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and examine it

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wow

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that's a great explanation yeah i know i

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mean again like it would cost billions

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to like

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land on an asteroid or um study it in

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space as it were but the fact that it's

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you know not so much in our backyard but

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i guess in the pool of the backyard like

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we can now actually

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study it so i mean i guess to kind of um

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play off of that avi like so what do we

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do next are are are there any

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expeditions set up is this something

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you're interested in pursuing what comes

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next for them i'm very interested and we

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are i'm discussing it

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with my student amir and with some

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experts that worked on such expeditions

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in the past and uh it's not very

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expensive and even you know if it costs

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some tens of thousands of dollars or a

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hundred thousand dollars

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i can

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fund it from the galileo project or get

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someone that will be excited enough to

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give us the funds that's not an issue at

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all it's not a billion dollars where you

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need we we need to appeal to nasa's

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interests

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and then the interesting point is

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there would be most likely uh fragments

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that are very small but

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suppose

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just imagine a piece of equipment okay

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that the component of it survived okay

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and then you can bring it to the lab and

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examine it

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you know that's that would be amazing uh

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in the worst case scenario you know we

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will find it's just a rock

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okay that came from interstellar space

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i say worst case just because it will

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not be as exciting uh but papua new

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guinea is a beautiful sight and spending

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a week there would be fascinating anyway

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yeah that's great yeah i know you're

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hitting up all these places people dream

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of going hawaii papua new guinea with

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this one i love it man hey you might as

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well take pleasure in your work that's

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what i say for sure um yeah well christy

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do you have any follow-ups on this

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developing story before we move on yeah

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i'm just curious to see what people have

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said back to you what is your peers you

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know have they messaged you recently

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since this this conversation and this

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discovery and the article that just came

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out you know are they excited is there

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criticism you know what's the the

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thought right now in the science

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community

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yeah splits into two camps there are

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people that are very excited these are

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the curious people and you know i was

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asked yesterday i had an interview

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from chile and i was asked what needs to

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be changed in the academic community so

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that

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we will promote innovation more often

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and i said it's very simple we just need

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to behave like kids

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i mean it's not very difficult look at

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kids you know they explore the world

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with curiosity they just

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uh are open-minded and that's the way we

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should behave the the big problem is

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that a lot of people try to behave as

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the adults in the room and pretend they

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know

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answers to questions

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and based on their past knowledge but

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the thrill about life is you know

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finding new things let's not pretend we

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know the answers let's enjoy the process

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of learning new things and in this case

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you know it's the first interstellar

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meteor so let's be excited about it

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figure it out see what it is and it

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opens a new avenue of research where we

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will look for very fast-moving meteors

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and whenever it looks like it's

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interstellar based on the measurements

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we can go and examine what this object

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was made of and whether it was

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technological in origin i think that's

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very exciting because there are two

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types of uh objects you can imagine from

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an extraterrestrial technological

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civilization there could be objects that

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are just space trash you know the kind

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of object that new horizons or voyager

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would become in a billion years so there

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could be a lot of trash out there and if

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such an object impacts the earth it

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would just behave like a rock you know

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but land eventually some some fragments

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from it will land on earth and then we

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can examine them

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and of course there is a second

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class of technological object

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technological equipment that is

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operational and that will not behave

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like a rock that may actually behave

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more like these unidentified aerial

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phenomena that the government is talking

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about so you know those require a

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completely different set of

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observations and and that's part of the

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galileo project that's what we're trying

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to do build telescope systems that would

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look at objects that

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whose nature is unclear and the

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government is uncertain about and

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frankly what i really wish

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what i really hope

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are two things

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for those objects that behave like

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meteors that you know land on the ground

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i want to find this piece of equipment

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and see if there are any buttons that i

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can press on it that that would be

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amazing you know that would give me the

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thrill of my life

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for for the others

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you know um

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i i would like to remove this term of

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unidentified aerial phenomena or

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unidentified flying objects i would like

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to remove these these terms from our

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lexicon not to use them anymore again

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because we will identify what they are

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okay so

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we don't need to use these words if we

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have good enough data you know if we can

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resolve an object and figure out whether

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it's a bird a drone

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a meteor or you know maybe something

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from outside of this earth you know once

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we figure out what it is because we have

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a high resolution image or because

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you know we see how it behaves um then

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we will not need the term unidentified

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it will be identified so

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these are my great hopes that within a

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few years

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you know either i would be able to press

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a button

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or

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remove the term unidentified from the

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lexicon of those objects

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that's wonderful

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yeah i well i love both options i just

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hope that button isn't a trojan horse of

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some kind but

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that's that's my biggest kind of scary

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i've watched too much twilight zone i

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know um well avi i i guess kind of

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playing off of that and i do want to

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read this message really quick from mark

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thank you for the super chat mark he

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said i first discovered your show when

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you interviewed dr loeb on muammua over

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a year ago this was before the interest

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my interest in ufos dr loeb is an

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inspiration you and chrissy are great um

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avi i couldn't agree more when i had you

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on the show um

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it just it was amazing seeing so many

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young people get interested and not just

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people interested in ufos i'm talking

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you know aspiring astronomers

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astrophysicists reaching out to me and

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then you go

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to the galileo project website and you

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look at all the researchers that are

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involved with with what you have founded

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and it's so refreshing to see

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young people students even getting

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involved in this whereas

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gosh five years ago none of them would

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touch this in fear of what you know the

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the mainstream scientific community

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would think and it's amazing the strides

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that have been made in the past few

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years so um

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thank you to mark and thank you to you

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thank you um yeah i mean last friday i

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took part in a discussion at the bitcoin

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2022 on in miami florida and you can

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find the video online

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and the one thing i said to the audience

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there were 100 000 viewers of that

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discussion and you know i really

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appreciated the fact that

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they're mostly young people because

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young people do not carry a baggage

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of past knowledge they are not really

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obsessed with themselves

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you know the way the adults in the room

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often are you know that's the biggest

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problem we have that people at a certain

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age start focusing on themselves and

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promoting their image and that implies

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that they should pretend

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that their past knowledge can explain

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anything they see and they're not open

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to discovering new things because then

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they would lose their title as experts

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an expert is a person who pretends to be

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able to explain anything based on packed

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knowledge right that's where the

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reputation of an expert comes from so

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when i left the room

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after a lecture about

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a an expert a colleague of mine that

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works on on rocks for decades said that

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omo is so weird i wish it never existed

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okay and why does he wish that it never

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existed because that threatens his

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expertise he prefers to argue this

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object can be explained based on my past

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knowledge

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and that is the exactly the opposite to

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the way a scientist should think which

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is if nature shows me an anomaly that's

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nature's way of educating me that i'm

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missing something i should be

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open-minded now of course it may well be

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that umuah is a nitrogen iceberg okay

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but

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to find out we should not argue that it

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must be a nitrogen aspect we should

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collect evidence and you know when

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people say extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence my reply and

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that's based on what carl sagan said i

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say

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uh extraordinary evidence requires

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extraordinary funding um and and by the

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way we invested billions of dollars

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trying to find out what the dark matter

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is what most of the matter in the

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universe is we still don't know you know

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we we were exploring the universe for a

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century now

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and since 1933 we know that most of the

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matter in the universe is not the

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material that we are made of it's

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something else we don't know what it is

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and we invested billions of dollars

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trying to find out through experiments

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and we went in directions that were very

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popular mainstream and we didn't find

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anything so if we search for

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technological equipment of other

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civilizations you know something that we

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sent into space and we say there are so

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many other planets just like the earth

564
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why don't we just see if anyone else

565
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,200
sent equipment to space you know that

566
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,600
sounds to me like not very speculative

567
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,840
and if we do that for 40 years and

568
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,240
invest billions of dollars and not find

569
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,640
anything then we would be exactly at the

570
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,520
same point as dark matter searches are

571
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,520
right now and they are part of the

572
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,840
mainstream so i ask myself how is it

573
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,360
possible that the mainstream of

574
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,840
astronomy is pushing back

575
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,919
on the search and that was the reason

576
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,919
that i established the galileo project i

577
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,600
hope it will make a difference

578
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,400
yeah it's the first time ever too like a

579
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,320
wonderful group of affiliates on the

580
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,240
board and researchers

581
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,320
i recently watched your yip lecture that

582
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,679
you did and it was fabulous avi and i i

583
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,120
found you know some new stuff that you

584
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,559
were talking about and i was like i'm

585
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,240
really excited to talk to you about this

586
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,440
with ryan um you mentioned cern

587
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,520
in that lecture and being able to use

588
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,360
cern with the galileo project can you

589
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,840
talk a little bit about that and and

590
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:11,840
and how cern would play a part in it

591
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,559
because that's very very exciting well i

592
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,640
mentioned sun to illustrate the fact

593
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,200
that we invested 10 billion dollars in

594
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:21,520
the large hadron collider and

595
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,559
that was

596
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,120
uh partly to find the higgs boson which

597
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,679
was found and but that's old news in

598
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,120
terms of physics it's just a

599
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,640
confirmation of something that for

600
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:32,880
decades was believed to exist

601
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,679
uh but in terms of uh opening new

602
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,960
frontiers

603
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,360
sun was hoping to

604
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,520
find the lightest supersymmetric

605
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,440
particle which was the favorite

606
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,520
candidate for the dark matter

607
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:48,559
and nothing was found as of yet

608
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,000
and the you know we know that

609
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,080
our understanding of physics is

610
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,720
incomplete we know that because we don't

611
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,559
know what the dark matter is

612
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,440
and then in order to find out we have to

613
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,080
to invest money and so far we haven't

614
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,559
found the dark matter is so so you can't

615
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,880
ask for extraordinary evidence without

616
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,039
investing the funds to collect that

617
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,520
evidence and otherwise it's a circular

618
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,919
argument and that's the way that the

619
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,919
subject of searching for technological

620
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,919
equipment from other civilizations is

621
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,480
being dealt with people say we don't

622
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,240
have the evidence therefore forget about

623
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,720
it everything in the sky must be natural

624
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:28,080
must be rocks

625
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,880
and

626
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,960
you know that that would be the approach

627
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,440
of a cave dweller finding a cell phone

628
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,039
saying it's a rock of a type that we've

629
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,919
never seen before if you have to imagine

630
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,520
rocks with a type that we've never seen

631
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:41,919
before like a nitrogen iceberg hydrogen

632
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,480
iceberg dust bunny to explain the

633
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,520
anomalies of i say

634
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,039
you should allow for the possibility

635
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,200
that it's artificial because

636
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,039
because it's something of a type that

637
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
we've never seen before so how can you

638
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,120
be sure that it's natural unless you

639
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,039
collect more evidence and you know the

640
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:01,279
biggest mistake we can make is

641
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,240
um

642
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,880
be complacent basically say oh there are

643
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,640
these anomalies but don't worry about

644
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:07,679
them

645
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,640
let's move on and continue to interpret

646
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,960
anything we see in the sky as rocks you

647
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,200
know of some type that we've never seen

648
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,840
be that would be the wrong approach and

649
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,360
you know one thing we knew about the

650
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,279
muammua is that

651
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,240
it's probably flat at the 90 confidence

652
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,240
based on the reflection of sunlight as

653
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,279
it was tumbling the other thing we

654
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,960
know that it was pushed by some

655
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,279
mysterious force which i explained to be

656
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,080
the result of reflection of sunlight so

657
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,080
if you imagine a thin

658
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,400
flat object you know what could be that

659
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,320
then one possibility is that it was a

660
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,960
leaflet you know a letter a love letter

661
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,279
in our mailbox from another civilization

662
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,840
advising us of what to do and

663
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,880
um

664
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:53,279
it would be really tragic if

665
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:54,320
um

666
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,120
we

667
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,279
do not read any letter that comes in our

668
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,720
mailbox

669
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,120
because we have an expiration date

670
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,880
that's when uh wars or climate change or

671
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:07,440
whatever we do damage this

672
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,279
uh environment that we live in will um

673
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,600
bring an end to our

674
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,919
technological civilization and you know

675
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:17,120
we better

676
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:18,080
uh

677
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,360
first of all

678
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,360
figure out if there is a smarter kid on

679
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,679
the block and and second learn from that

680
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,080
kid uh because that could

681
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,240
uh bring us to our salvation in some

682
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:29,760
sense

683
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,559
amen wonderful yeah yeah

684
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:35,039
shakespearean at its finest i know i

685
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,760
know

686
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,279
um well

687
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,240
i i heard uh through chrissy and um

688
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
through the lecture that you gave avi as

689
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,080
well um that you actually

690
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,240
uh were working with the james webb

691
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,240
telescope is that correct you got to use

692
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,200
that um now we saw the stunning images

693
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,080
or image that uh recently came through

694
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,360
on that so i'd love to know um what what

695
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,840
access were you given and um what did

696
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,520
you do with your time with the james

697
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,960
webb telescope

698
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,120
well um so the

699
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:07,440
the story starts in the

700
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,120
mid the 1990s i was on the first

701
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:12,559
advisory

702
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,200
designed the the web telescope and at

703
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,559
the time it was called the next

704
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,399
generation space telescope and the

705
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,960
reason i was there is because

706
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,279
at the time i was mainly working on the

707
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,080
first stars in the universe so you can

708
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:29,919
think of it as the scientific version of

709
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,279
the story of genesis let there be light

710
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,679
and we want to figure out when the first

711
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,399
stars formed because they established

712
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,640
our cosmic roots

713
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,960
we would never exist

714
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,679
unless carbon and oxygen were produced

715
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,760
by stars they were never produced by the

716
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,679
big bang and

717
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,840
mostly you know out of the big bang came

718
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,840
hydrogen and helium so

719
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:56,720
for life as we know it to exist you need

720
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,000
carbon and oxygen and heavy elements and

721
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,320
that was produced in the interiors of

722
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,960
stars and the process started with the

723
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,120
first stars about 100 million years

724
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,720
after the big bang

725
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,399
when the universe was

726
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,799
less than a percent of its current age

727
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,600
so

728
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,760
we want to see those first stars because

729
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:18,080
that's our roots that's our cosmic roots

730
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,799
and

731
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,720
the james webb space telescope was

732
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,799
designed to

733
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,799
give us the deepest images of the

734
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,240
universe so that we can see the first

735
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,399
galaxies the first stars and

736
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,559
it was designed to observe in the

737
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,960
infrared because the

738
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,120
wavelength of light emitted by those

739
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,120
stars is stretched by the cosmic

740
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:39,760
expansion starting from the visible

741
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,799
light or ultraviolet light

742
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,720
and being stretched into the infrared

743
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,600
because

744
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,320
red is longer wavelengths and

745
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,520
so um

746
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,480
that was the original intent and then

747
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,080
of course by now we know that there are

748
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,320
planets around other stars so there are

749
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,880
other goals for the for the

750
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,760
james webb space telescope

751
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,399
such as imaging the birth

752
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,120
uh places of planets you know like that

753
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,200
would be exciting but the lesson we

754
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,880
learned from the hubble space telescope

755
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,679
is

756
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,640
often

757
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:13,440
a

758
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:36,480
we discussed

759
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:39,919
so the meteor represented the nearest

760
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,440
object that was discovered from outside

761
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,440
the solar system it came you know so

762
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,159
close that it collided with the earth

763
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,760
but i was also involved a day later in a

764
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,399
press release about the farthest objects

765
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,640
that we ever detected

766
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,520
which existed that's a galaxy from 300

767
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,679
million years after the big bang

768
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,039
and

769
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,679
perhaps that galaxy has a very massive

770
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,240
black hole at its center because we see

771
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:10,000
a lot of light coming out we don't know

772
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,120
if it came

773
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,039
from a black hole or from very massive

774
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:15,919
stars in that galaxy but that was very

775
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,279
exciting so in the same week i was part

776
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,600
of discovering the

777
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,799
closest

778
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,600
and the farthest objects from outside

779
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,960
the solar system

780
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,840
and

781
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,520
of course with the james webb space

782
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:30,880
telescope

783
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,000
we can learn much more about those early

784
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,919
galaxies like the one that we reported

785
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,440
about a week ago

786
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,159
and

787
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,760
the other thing we can learn is about

788
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,840
objects like homoamua

789
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
because

790
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,039
the web telescope is one and a half

791
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,520
million kilometers or about a million

792
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,559
miles

793
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,960
away from earth so when you observe an

794
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,720
object like

795
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,159
passing within the orbit of the earth

796
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,000
around the sun

797
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,159
you can see it from two

798
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,799
different directions uh if you observe

799
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,039
it from earth and from

800
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,399
the web telescope

801
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,120
and that allows you to

802
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,880
figure out the trajectory in three

803
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,279
dimensions uh it's called parallax in

804
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,720
astronomy when you observe something

805
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,360
from two different vantage points and

806
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,799
then um and so that would allow us uh to

807
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:21,279
observe the next

808
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,679
uh from two directions and pin down the

809
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,240
motion of it in very precisely much

810
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,720
better than we did with umuah and figure

811
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,320
out whether there are any forces in

812
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,919
addition to the force of gravity from

813
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,559
the sun acting on it and also the james

814
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,720
webb space telescope could allow us to

815
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,080
learn about the composition of the

816
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,399
object from doing spectroscopy of the

817
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:45,120
reflected light an emitted light from

818
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,120
the object so all together it offers us

819
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:50,399
much more

820
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,279
um

821
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,159
sensitivity and and and information

822
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,399
about the next

823
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,799
and then previously i i mentioned the

824
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,640
fact that we the galileo project might

825
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,320
want to design a space mission to image

826
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:07,760
the next muah but with the web telescope

827
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,960
and with existing new telescopes on on

828
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
earth

829
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:13,519
we will get much more information about

830
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,880
the next more even before we date it we

831
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,039
before we run the vu with it

832
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,600
so all together i'm very excited that

833
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,559
the coming years you know will bring us

834
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,279
new data either from the galileo project

835
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,679
or from other

836
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:31,120
telescopes that

837
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,159
you know will

838
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:34,399
advance our knowledge because

839
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,000
rather than relying on prejudice we can

840
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,159
rely on data on evidence and you know

841
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,399
that's the way kids behave they

842
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,960
they learn from experience you know and

843
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,200
uh i very much hope that you know so

844
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,519
people ask me how would you change the

845
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,159
opinion of your colleagues and i say

846
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,320
you know first of all i don't feel an

847
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,080
obligation to change their opinion if i

848
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,760
do get a high resolution image of an

849
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,200
object that shows that it's a piece of

850
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,760
equipment from another civilization

851
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,679
you know let let other people catch up

852
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,600
with me it's just like

853
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,279
galileo galilei looking through his

854
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,960
telescope realize that the earth moves

855
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,200
around the sun took a while for other

856
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,159
people to catch up um today they would

857
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,159
have cancelled him on social media while

858
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,320
he was alive that but that's not an

859
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,000
issue because the earth moves around the

860
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,080
sun it doesn't really matter so we just

861
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,399
need to figure out what's going on

862
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,000
and then whether people catch up with it

863
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,840
or not whether it's popular on twitter

864
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,159
is a completely secondary issue

865
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,399
yeah i'd i'd love to ask you a question

866
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,919
too and circle back with the hubble

867
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,399
space telescope uh because you know

868
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,840
we're looking the information that just

869
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,919
came out about finding an image or sorry

870
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,519
having the distant star in the image

871
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,840
that came out the hubble is using

872
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,039
something a technique called

873
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,840
gravitational lensing that magnifies

874
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,000
this distant star are you going to be

875
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,919
looking and i have to bring in the ufo

876
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,840
conversation are you going to look at

877
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,840
using gravitational lensing for

878
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,159
something to identify smaller objects

879
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,159
like ufos you know

880
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,080
within even our planet and then outside

881
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,279
of it as well

882
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,640
so let me first explain what

883
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:07,120
gravitational lensing is actually

884
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,240
the first

885
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:11,119
real test of einstein's theory of

886
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,639
gravity uh was the deflection of light

887
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,919
by the sun

888
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,919
the sun actually the force of gravity of

889
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,639
the sun can deflect light and that was

890
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,480
detected and conf you know agreed with

891
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,480
the prediction of the theory which is a

892
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,839
factor of two

893
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,560
off what newtonian gravity would have

894
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,079
predicted so

895
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,119
um then einstein around 1940 wrote a

896
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,399
paper saying in principle a star can act

897
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,399
as a gravitational lens if you have a

898
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,000
source behind it

899
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,839
it can focus the light from the

900
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,679
background source if it lines up with

901
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,879
the star

902
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,040
and magnify the amount of light that you

903
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,839
see just like a magnifying glass

904
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,240
and except it's using the the force of

905
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,040
gravity to focus the light rays

906
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,280
and then that

907
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,079
prediction but einstein commented well

908
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,119
that would never be detected because

909
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:07,119
the chance of that happening is small

910
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,920
and

911
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,760
you know but

912
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,599
for example in the milky way galaxy to

913
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,079
observe gravitational lensing by a star

914
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,040
you know the chance you need to monitor

915
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,440
millions of stars okay and it turns out

916
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,240
that about two decades ago

917
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,160
you know that was demos actually three

918
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,400
decades ago that was demonstrated to be

919
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,280
possible um and

920
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,800
uh we

921
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,280
monitored astronomers monitored millions

922
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,040
of stars and were able to detect the

923
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,440
effect of gravitational lensing every

924
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,880
now and then

925
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,520
and it was used to figure out if the

926
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,359
dark matter is made of

927
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,520
compact objects because then they would

928
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,079
length without you seeing anything

929
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,560
the object is dark but

930
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:53,119
very tight limits were put on the dark

931
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,320
matter being

932
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,119
you know of the mass range of of around

933
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,960
the mass of the sun based on this

934
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,200
experiment we we saw some

935
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,800
lensing events but

936
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,400
at a much lower

937
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,240
uh abundance than you would expect if

938
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,400
the dark matter was made of

939
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,119
objects um like

940
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,200
primordial black hole of the mass of the

941
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,720
sun okay so at any event um we also see

942
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,119
gravitational lensing by bigger systems

943
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,240
not just an individual star we see

944
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,200
galaxies lensing the light from a

945
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,599
background source bright source

946
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,680
and we see also clusters of galaxies

947
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,400
they produce beautiful arcs

948
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,359
and

949
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,640
uh there was this recent report where it

950
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,440
so happened that the very bright star

951
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,440
early on in the universe you know when

952
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:42,960
the universe was just a billion years

953
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,000
old uh happen to lie behind the

954
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,839
so-called caustic where you get very

955
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,240
large magnification by a cluster of

956
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,520
galaxies

957
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,200
and it's

958
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,880
the amount of light that we receive from

959
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,200
it was amplified so much that we could

960
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,440
detect a single star which is quite

961
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,079
remarkable uh we can also detect a

962
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,880
single star when it explodes uh in the

963
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,680
form of a gamma ray burst that is also

964
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,079
observed now you have to understand the

965
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:11,760
chance of gravitational lensing is small

966
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,560
you need to be lucky uh and so you can't

967
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,160
really use it

968
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,000
um you know

969
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,680
to figure out

970
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,280
um you know

971
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,880
the nature of

972
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,160
things that

973
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,720
uh are are not very abundant you know

974
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,320
you need a lot of them before one of

975
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,000
them will be lanced

976
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,470
i don't see a simple way of using

977
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,320
gravitational lensing just because the

978
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,160
probability of having a source behind

979
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,920
the lens is so small

980
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:42,480
for the search for um technological

981
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,920
signatures but maybe there will be

982
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,920
it's much easier to look directly for

983
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,760
technological signatures so aside from

984
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,000
filing doing extraterrestrial

985
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,160
uh archaeology looking for objects in

986
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,320
space that i was talking about before

987
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,240
you can look for city lights on the

988
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,400
night side of a planet you can look for

989
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
industrial pollution there are lots of

990
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,800
uh interes

991
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,280
there are lots of um techno signatures

992
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,560
that you can imagine searching for

993
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:14,800
uh on other planets without

994
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,839
gravitational lensing

995
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,359
um so but

996
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,520
who knows maybe one day there will be a

997
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,960
detection of

998
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,200
a signal that was magnified by

999
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,960
gravitational lensing that

1000
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,960
originated from a technological

1001
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,560
civilization

1002
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,520
nice

1003
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,520
interesting yeah well i mean while we're

1004
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,079
on techno signature avi um i'm gonna

1005
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,560
move to a couple listener questions here

1006
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:40,480
um because i know our time is running a

1007
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,640
little short um but n8 on twitter asks

1008
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,520
if um if we do discover the existence of

1009
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,880
an advanced extraterrestrial

1010
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,760
civilization what comes next after that

1011
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,680
discovery what's like the next step

1012
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,160
after we find it i would imagine a ton

1013
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,640
of peer review would be involved um but

1014
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,000
yeah in your opinion say galileo

1015
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:04,800
does reach its goal and its mission

1016
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,560
what comes next after that okay so um

1017
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,000
it's really an important question

1018
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,560
because if we find an object

1019
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,880
that is functional let's imagine the

1020
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,960
category of a functional object that has

1021
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,960
maybe artificial intelligence trying to

1022
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,800
seek some information

1023
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,400
near earth of course that's very

1024
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:25,119
different from finding space trash okay

1025
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,440
so if we find something like that

1026
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,440
the question is what to do about it it's

1027
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,359
just like finding a visitor in your

1028
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,040
backyard now

1029
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,040
when people thought about protocols for

1030
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,119
response

1031
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,200
they thought about detecting a radio

1032
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,520
signal from a star that is you know

1033
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,680
thousands of light years away and you

1034
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,520
have plenty of time to decide how to

1035
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,040
respond to that

1036
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,960
but if you have a visitor in your

1037
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,520
backyard you need to decide

1038
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,680
immediately what to do

1039
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,839
and we don't have a protocol for that

1040
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,880
and the question is who represents

1041
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,880
earth who represents humanity we don't

1042
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,640
have an organization that does it and

1043
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,240
frankly even if we established an

1044
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,720
organization that represents humanity i

1045
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,800
would worry about some

1046
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,640
some people outside of the organization

1047
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,160
that will decide to engage with the

1048
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,640
object on their own i don't think we

1049
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,000
will have full control over everyone

1050
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,800
so that could pose a risk to everyone

1051
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,880
depending on the capabilities of that

1052
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,760
object that we find and uh of course the

1053
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,680
blueprint of that object what does it

1054
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,920
what is it trying to accomplish and i

1055
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,160
actually had a conversation with henry

1056
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,440
kissinger uh a few months ago about this

1057
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,720
he's 98 years old and i asked him

1058
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,839
based on your real politic how would you

1059
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:45,200
approach

1060
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,359
uh an object that came from a culture

1061
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,359
that you know nothing about

1062
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,200
based on your experience and he said you

1063
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,680
know based on my experience with

1064
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,760
china and russia that the the first

1065
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:59,119
thing to do is

1066
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,000
um

1067
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,800
try and figure out what

1068
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,280
the goals of the other side are and what

1069
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,680
what is it trying to accomplish and then

1070
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,599
respond accordingly so

1071
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,599
i think this is the wise thing to do to

1072
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,520
collect as much information as possible

1073
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,359
about what information this object is

1074
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,560
seeking

1075
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,839
uh and then

1076
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,480
think about you know what would be

1077
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,760
our best response to that and figure out

1078
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:25,359
what the intent is

1079
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,160
um

1080
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,920
because

1081
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,319
you know this equipment might represent

1082
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,960
technologies that are much more advanced

1083
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,599
than what we possess and then we will

1084
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,920
never be able to reverse engineer and

1085
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,400
figure out what the object is doing and

1086
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,480
sort of like a cave dweller going to new

1087
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,880
york city and seeing all the gadgets

1088
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,720
you know that

1089
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,119
that may become a mythical story for the

1090
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,960
cave dwellers but

1091
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,400
it will not allow them to reverse

1092
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:55,920
engineer what they found in new york

1093
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,000
city on a short time scale um and so

1094
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,119
we might be at all with

1095
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,599
the magic that such equipment is

1096
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,119
exhibiting because our knowledge of

1097
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,680
physics is incomplete you know we know

1098
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,520
that we have some holes in our

1099
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,440
understanding you know for example

1100
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,520
imagine that the

1101
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,079
dark matter is being used as rocket fuel

1102
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,720
you know we would never see it uh if you

1103
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,319
know that that's the most abundant

1104
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,720
substance in the universe why not use it

1105
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,160
for rocket fuel if you know what it is

1106
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,800
if you know how to engineer it

1107
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,040
that would look strange to us we would

1108
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,880
see propulsion without anything coming

1109
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,800
out of the exhaust

1110
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
this is just one example of course you

1111
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,160
can think about using the vacuum we know

1112
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,680
that the universe is accelerating we

1113
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,160
don't know what the dark energy is

1114
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,599
so there are lots of holes in our

1115
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,520
understanding that in principle an

1116
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,760
advanced scientific civilization might

1117
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,040
be able to

1118
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:52,000
use once they acquire the knowledge uh

1119
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,960
uh

1120
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,599
and and it would be difficult for us to

1121
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,119
understand that um but

1122
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,000
that is a very challenging issue of how

1123
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,160
to deal with an object now of course if

1124
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,319
it's space trash the situation is much

1125
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,680
simpler and then maybe the gap would not

1126
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,200
be as big

1127
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,200
my fundamental point is that

1128
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,079
a very advanced scientific civilization

1129
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,520
is a good approximation to what

1130
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,200
religious texts

1131
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,839
call this god because

1132
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,359
you know they might be able to produce

1133
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,119
synthetic life in the laboratory they

1134
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,720
might be able to even produce baby

1135
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,560
universes in laboratory

1136
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,400
if they understand how to unify quantum

1137
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,319
mechanics and gravity so

1138
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:35,280
i think we have a lot of room to learn

1139
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,460
from

1140
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,960
[Music]

1141
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,040
a gap in technology

1142
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,040
and it offers also a business

1143
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,880
opportunity for people to import those

1144
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,000
technologies to earth you know

1145
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,680
that's why i think

1146
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,640
wealthy individuals should put

1147
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,720
some money into this search

1148
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,480
because it offers opportunities to

1149
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,119
leap forward in a way that would take us

1150
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,680
a lot of time to do ourselves

1151
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:02,720
right

1152
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,319
people

1153
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,240
invested

1154
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
yeah yeah that's space trash but no

1155
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,880
that's such a good point um i know

1156
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,119
christopher plane said black what do you

1157
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,880
say black matter as rocket fuel that's

1158
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,920
why i love avi yeah it's so like think

1159
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,920
just think if we had this like endless

1160
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,720
amount of oh god it blows my mind um

1161
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,560
chrissy i've got a few listener

1162
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,960
questions and comments here in the um

1163
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,200
the star chat but is there anything else

1164
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,520
you want to ask avi before i run through

1165
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,440
those with them quickly for sure i just

1166
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,960
wanted to chat a little bit about the

1167
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,640
harvard telescope that you're building

1168
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,920
right now or who will be currently

1169
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,520
building can you talk a little bit about

1170
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,760
that and what it will look like and and

1171
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,240
when that when you'll start using it

1172
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,800
yeah so we plan to start the assembly

1173
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,800
uh in a month

1174
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,119
we ordered all the components

1175
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,400
uh and

1176
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,480
it will basically include the

1177
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,960
a set of eight infrared cameras that

1178
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,800
monitor the entire sky

1179
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,880
at all times so

1180
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,800
the system takes a video of the sky in

1181
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,960
the infrared we also have a visible

1182
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,359
light camera that has a fish eye lens

1183
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:10,960
that looks at the entire sky at all

1184
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,079
times and we have radio sensors

1185
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,160
and then also

1186
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,400
an audio sensor that

1187
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,960
at the same time records everything uh

1188
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,599
in the sky and and that data will be

1189
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,359
processed by

1190
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:28,000
a software that that will use artificial

1191
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,359
intelligence machine learning to

1192
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,079
identify the type of objects we see and

1193
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,000
there are two categories of objects that

1194
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,240
we can think of one is

1195
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,079
natural objects like a bird

1196
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,640
light lightning in the atmosphere

1197
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,400
meteor

1198
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,520
or human-made objects like drones

1199
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,720
airplanes

1200
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,319
satellites

1201
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,560
now um

1202
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:54,079
we will

1203
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,200
of course

1204
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,200
try to see if any object we see can

1205
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,200
belong to one of these two categories

1206
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,040
and if there is anything else that

1207
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,200
behaves in ways that we cannot explain

1208
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,800
that would be of course the most

1209
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,720
exciting uh but it's a fishing

1210
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,920
expedition

1211
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,480
you see uh and i should say the

1212
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,319
the meteor

1213
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,040
expedition that i mentioned before is an

1214
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,960
actual fishing expedition we will go

1215
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,480
into the ocean

1216
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,040
and the fish for the fragments from the

1217
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,200
meteor so it gives a whole new meaning

1218
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,839
to the term fishing expedition but in

1219
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:26,960
this case

1220
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,839
we use telescopes as our fishing net

1221
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:31,839
and they try to see which objects are in

1222
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,040
the sky now once the telescope system

1223
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,800
on the hub on the roof of the harvard

1224
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,560
college observatory will work and by the

1225
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,480
way the reason we chose it is simply

1226
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,720
because it's local and we can make sure

1227
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,200
the instrumentation works and in the the

1228
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,160
sky is very often cloudy there was never

1229
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,640
a major discovery made from uh the

1230
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,319
harvard college observatory you know

1231
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,640
observational astronomy um

1232
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,520
so we will once it works the system we

1233
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,960
will move it to

1234
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,440
a location that allows us to learn more

1235
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,640
about

1236
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,119
those unidentified aerial phenomena and

1237
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,520
we will build copies of it and the

1238
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,240
number of copies we build will depend on

1239
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,520
how much money we have

1240
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,440
so we can build a few of those with the

1241
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,040
money we have right now 2 million

1242
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,560
dollars

1243
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,280
but

1244
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,000
my hope is we will get eventually we we

1245
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,200
should get

1246
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,640
to a hundred million dollars because

1247
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,960
that will give us access to hundreds of

1248
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,440
such systems and then we cover enough of

1249
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,480
the sky to get to the bottom of the

1250
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,400
nature of those unidentified aerial

1251
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,720
phenomena and a hundred million dollars

1252
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,640
is not a lot of money it's just one

1253
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,960
percent of the cost of the large hadron

1254
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,440
collider it's an amount that

1255
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,640
is often allocated to medium-sized

1256
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,160
science projects

1257
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,079
and it's an amount that the private

1258
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,520
donor of sufficient wealth can easily

1259
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:57,119
provide so i very much hope that we will

1260
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,160
inspire

1261
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,680
such a donor

1262
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,200
i hope so too

1263
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:03,839
yeah i think we all do um

1264
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,280
well uh luis is our moderator today and

1265
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,559
he's gonna be

1266
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,559
putting up some of our starred questions

1267
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:12,319
and answers here but while he's doing

1268
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,839
that um avi this is a good one uh jesper

1269
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,920
on facebook actually asks and i'll get

1270
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,559
to that one in just a minute luis um

1271
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,720
with galileo will we be able as the

1272
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,200
public to like watch as these things

1273
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,800
happen will there be like some sort of

1274
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,520
app or like notification that like

1275
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,599
people in the public can be like oh that

1276
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,680
they're monitoring an object now like we

1277
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,839
can go live stream and see what they're

1278
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,480
looking at or or would that hinder the

1279
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,960
actual research being done like anything

1280
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,400
planned like that

1281
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,400
well we are worried about false alarms

1282
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,720
so we don't want to create false alarms

1283
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:49,040
and the way it's done in science is that

1284
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:49,760
we

1285
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,359
process it through the software first

1286
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,559
and then

1287
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,920
make sure that

1288
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:56,960
it's not

1289
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:59,920
an artifact of the instrumentation and

1290
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,280
and then that we understand uh what we

1291
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,240
are seeing and and then we would report

1292
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,359
in an open way to the public um so

1293
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,359
eventually we'll release the data make

1294
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,079
it open but there may be a some weeks in

1295
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,680
between the time that we acquired the

1296
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,079
data and the time to release it just not

1297
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:19,760
to create false alarms you know of

1298
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,400
confusion and

1299
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,400
misinterpretation and um i don't think

1300
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,839
you have to worry too much about it

1301
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,960
because

1302
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,359
such a project was not done

1303
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:31,359
a scientific project of this magnitude

1304
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,319
and

1305
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,319
um you know it's the first time we do it

1306
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,480
we have to learn make sure that we

1307
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,640
understand what we're seeing and

1308
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,960
a few months of a delay is not really a

1309
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,640
big deal

1310
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,920
in this context you know we uh

1311
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,559
if if we find the answer a few

1312
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,079
within a year

1313
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:52,480
that would be amazing you know that

1314
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,359
so

1315
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,440
just waiting a little bit to make sure

1316
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,040
the data is reliable and that we

1317
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,520
understand it is worthwhile so that we

1318
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,359
don't create

1319
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,720
you know uh false alarms and then people

1320
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,960
stop paying attention after a while

1321
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,400
yeah you don't want it to affect any

1322
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,240
credibility and that makes that makes

1323
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,640
100 sense totally you know in a field

1324
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,800
full of hype you know we have to be

1325
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,359
careful we constantly have to be careful

1326
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:20,000
and not um put our expectations too high

1327
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,720
yeah

1328
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,359
the other thing to keep in mind is and

1329
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,119
you know we we have the government

1330
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,200
reporting about military

1331
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,720
data and

1332
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,040
you know a a camera in the cockpit of a

1333
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,720
fighter jet is not

1334
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,200
something you can

1335
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,400
be certain

1336
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,720
about in terms of having full control

1337
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,559
over it so

1338
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,319
we want to have full control over our

1339
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,079
instruments and and that means also

1340
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,520
understanding them and

1341
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,839
that makes the project scientific uh

1342
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,040
rather than

1343
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,190
in a way i mean we pay a price for

1344
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,520
trying to be more rigorous but trying to

1345
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,319
be more reliable uh the price is that we

1346
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,760
just have to wait

1347
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,079
some weeks before we release the data to

1348
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,599
make sure that we understand where it's

1349
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,559
coming from but but that delay is really

1350
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,319
negligible compared to the amount of

1351
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,079
time we waited so far

1352
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,920
since the first government reports came

1353
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,680
up

1354
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:19,280
welcome to

1355
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,800
ufology and the government but um luis

1356
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,720
go ahead and throw some of those up man

1357
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,960
um for avi before we get him out of here

1358
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,280
he's got another interview as well he's

1359
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,920
a busy man um ryan please ask dr loeb if

1360
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:33,680
he has seen the data or knows about it

1361
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,880
collected by you uapx team um they're

1362
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,040
coming out with a documentary in the

1363
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,760
next few weeks about uh some interesting

1364
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,240
data i was able to advance screen this

1365
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,319
documentary and i was pretty intrigued

1366
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,880
by what they captured both on video and

1367
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,680
um you know with the data they collected

1368
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:53,760
but yes will you be working with any

1369
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,440
other independent organizations or or or

1370
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,280
even government i know a lot of people

1371
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,599
have questions and concerns about that

1372
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,720
as well with galileo um how will they

1373
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,160
play any role in this any other

1374
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,160
organizations whether governmental or

1375
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,359
independent

1376
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,520
well i think the trailer they produced

1377
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,359
the documentary about this

1378
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:16,559
expedition they had uh last summer and

1379
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:19,760
um the trailer talks about them seeing

1380
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,880
unusual things near catalina island and

1381
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,800
of course that's the site

1382
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,400
where

1383
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,640
the navy also reported interesting

1384
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:30,240
things happening and

1385
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,359
um

1386
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,359
we still have to see the actual data the

1387
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,720
trailer is of course just an

1388
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,040
advertisement for the documentary and

1389
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,359
it's not scientific in any way

1390
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,680
uh so i very much look forward to seeing

1391
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,079
i mean they must be writing some

1392
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,079
article about it uh or articles and i i

1393
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,920
look forward to seeing the data itself

1394
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,440
and of course the galileo project will

1395
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,880
be glad to

1396
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:53,839
to

1397
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,280
it and there are some members of

1398
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:05,839
the galileo project affiliates that

1399
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,200
are part of the of the uapx team

1400
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,119
and they told me that they have some

1401
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,359
interesting results but i i don't know

1402
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,800
the nature of them and

1403
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,400
of course it's all about the quality of

1404
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,000
the data you see

1405
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,000
you can have interesting results the

1406
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,920
question is how much uncertainty there

1407
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,920
is i mean you can argue that you're

1408
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,599
seeing a wormhole and it might be a

1409
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,280
flock of birds

1410
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:29,440
so the question is really

1411
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,359
how high quality is the data and

1412
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,119
how conclusive it is that's the

1413
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:37,280
fundamental question not whether the

1414
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,240
data indicates weird things but whether

1415
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,440
the weird things are can be analyzed at

1416
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,760
a high enough fidelity to demonstrate

1417
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,160
that they are not natural things

1418
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,720
yeah and i think they are releasing um i

1419
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,559
was there for that expedition for just a

1420
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:54,720
section of it off catalina island myself

1421
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,440
but i wasn't there for the other parts

1422
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,000
um of wormhole and everything else they

1423
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,680
speak to but from what i've heard i

1424
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,280
believe that they are releasing the data

1425
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,200
after so that it can be reviewed which

1426
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,040
they should because everyone if it you

1427
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,400
know if you're going to say those

1428
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,760
statements you really need to have other

1429
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,200
people looking at in the scientific

1430
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,440
community right and you know science is

1431
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,079
about reproducibility of results and

1432
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,720
um if they found something

1433
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,400
that they would claim is beyond the

1434
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,760
reasonable doubt

1435
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,200
then the gallow project should be able

1436
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,359
to find it as well it should be there

1437
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,920
you know or in other locations so

1438
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,680
eventually we'll get to the bottom of it

1439
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:32,800
and it doesn't really matter who gets

1440
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,160
the data first and it's really about

1441
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,640
figuring out the reality that we live in

1442
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,640
what is our cosmic neighborhood do we

1443
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,920
have neighbors

1444
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,079
are they smarter than we are

1445
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,640
you know who finds it is less important

1446
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,480
which window we are looking through is

1447
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,200
less important fundamental question is

1448
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:53,359
are we alone or is there someone out

1449
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,160
there

1450
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:56,079
and of course sitting on the sofa and

1451
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,200
claiming

1452
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,119
nobody is knocking on my door is not the

1453
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,559
right approach you have to look through

1454
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,280
your windows and i'm very glad that

1455
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,960
uapx is

1456
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,520
has some data but uh the galileo project

1457
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,480
will obviously try to get more data of

1458
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:13,200
the best quality we can assemble

1459
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,319
i love it

1460
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,720
yeah i mean hey the earth is a big house

1461
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,040
there's plenty of windows to look out of

1462
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,000
right so i love that um the sky is not

1463
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,400
classified that's the other thing i mean

1464
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:26,880
looking for the government to declassify

1465
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,520
data is like waiting for godot this play

1466
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,480
but

1467
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,480
it's searcher

1468
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,400
i mean i mean rather than age uh as you

1469
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,240
wait for someone else to do something is

1470
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,480
to do it yourself you know

1471
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:41,599
anyway

1472
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,480
yep

1473
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,440
as a theater buff avi you just hit me in

1474
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,440
the heartstrings man bringing up waiting

1475
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,319
for godot i love it um here's one last

1476
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,079
question for avi um i know you got to

1477
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,119
get going um grant asks uh

1478
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,599
does the proximity of omua to earth

1479
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,119
after its um

1480
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,559
perihelion

1481
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,119
support the e.t hypothesis

1482
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,119
no i mean in the trajectory the orbit of

1483
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,359
was shaped mainly by the sun's gravity

1484
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,839
the additional force that was acting on

1485
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,960
it was

1486
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,440
at a very low level

1487
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,920
less than a percent uh of the sun's

1488
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,520
gravity so

1489
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,960
the the um was in the in the part of the

1490
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,000
trajectory that we could monitor it was

1491
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,319
moving mainly as a result of the

1492
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,480
gravitational force of the sun mainly

1493
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,880
but there was this additional force and

1494
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,280
we interpreted it to to mean that it's

1495
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,359
pushed by reflecting sunlight and in

1496
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,599
september 2020 there was another object

1497
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,400
that exhibited the similar quality

1498
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,000
pushed by reflecting sunlight no

1499
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,240
cometary tail and it ended up being a

1500
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,359
rocket booster from

1501
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,920
1966 that nasa launched and

1502
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,680
the fact that the same telescope in

1503
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:56,799
hawaii pan stars discovered both of them

1504
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,400
and concluded the second one was indeed

1505
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,280
artificial because we we made it to me

1506
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,720
illustrates that we can tell the

1507
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,640
difference between a rock and a very

1508
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:09,440
thin object and this second object was

1509
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,240
not

1510
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,200
uh actually um designed to be a light

1511
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,200
sail to be propelled by reflecting

1512
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,440
sunlight it was just thin

1513
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,440
okay so um

1514
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,240
it may well be that omumu was just in

1515
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,000
for a completely different reason and

1516
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,559
the question is you know what was uh the

1517
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:28,960
reason and what was the nature of of it

1518
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:31,760
but to to gain understanding we need

1519
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,119
more data on a another object like

1520
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,240
so sort of like dating going on a date

1521
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,400
and liking the person you went out with

1522
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,160
but then the person is out the door you

1523
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,599
can find them uh and then you're just

1524
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,520
trying to date the next

1525
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,200
which is what we plan to do in the

1526
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,960
coming years

1527
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:53,200
wonderful sounds like my uh

1528
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,640
good analogy new york city yeah yeah

1529
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,599
um

1530
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,440
this has been incredible man again i

1531
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,200
don't wanna you have another interview

1532
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,440
coming up in a few minutes let you go um

1533
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,240
but last question before we leave you

1534
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,599
here um

1535
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:09,680
is there anything you can tease with us

1536
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,200
with any upcoming uh data from galileo

1537
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,200
or um you know

1538
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,680
timely endeavors you're gonna be doing

1539
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,760
or conferences you'll be speaking at

1540
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,520
anything you can share with us with what

1541
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:23,920
comes next for you oh lots of things

1542
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:26,799
every day brings new things i should say

1543
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,079
uh i'm surprised every day uh i had 2500

1544
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,000
interviews over the past year but that

1545
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,640
was the list of my surprises

1546
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,720
um i i meet

1547
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,720
quite unusual people that i've never met

1548
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:40,000
before and

1549
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,040
um

1550
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,760
it brings up new opportunities and you

1551
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,000
know this meteor for example

1552
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,480
opens the door for an expedition i think

1553
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,559
that would be very exciting

1554
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,359
uh

1555
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,200
you know just figuring out what this

1556
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,799
meteor that came from outside the solar

1557
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,440
system was made of and checking whether

1558
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,440
it was a rock or something else you know

1559
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,760
that i would find find that very

1560
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:04,400
exciting and in principle it can be done

1561
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,599
relatively soon uh and with the galileo

1562
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,760
project the rest you know building these

1563
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,160
telescope systems you know we're still

1564
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,880
in the early phase so i have to wait

1565
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,440
at least a few months before i can start

1566
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,760
getting excited by the data because

1567
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,680
that's you know we need to keep our eyes

1568
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,480
on the ball not on the audience that's

1569
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,000
what i've been telling the galileo

1570
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,240
project members all along it doesn't

1571
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,680
really matter what the audience is

1572
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,839
saying don't look at the audience just

1573
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,920
keep your eyes on the ball we need to

1574
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,280
get this ball

1575
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,280
you know through the hoop

1576
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:38,720
and

1577
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,200
catch whatever fish come through our

1578
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,440
fishing net you know in this case

1579
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,920
uh also in the case of the meteor you

1580
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,720
know um and i i'm very hopeful that

1581
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,480
within a year or two

1582
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,960
we'll know much more than we know now so

1583
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,119
just stay tuned and then

1584
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,000
and you know keep monitoring what's

1585
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,799
happening every few days or a week i i

1586
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,640
write a commentary about the new

1587
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,400
developments

1588
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,119
and then you know i

1589
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,960
fundamentally i don't want to look at

1590
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,880
any classified data because that would

1591
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,680
limit my ability to speak freely so you

1592
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,520
can rest assured that

1593
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,160
what you see is what you get with me

1594
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,839
it's wonderful

1595
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,079
uh i couldn't think of a better way to

1596
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,680
end it i also didn't think we would talk

1597
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,079
about fishing dating or basketball in

1598
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,640
this conversation so avi

1599
01:00:36,670 --> 01:00:34,720
thank you thank you for again

1600
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,680
reinvigorating so many of the

1601
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,640
scientific-minded people out there on

1602
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,359
this topic of uap and beyond the topic

1603
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,839
of uap thank you for your time what

1604
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,319
you're doing and um of course where can

1605
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,000
we find everything you're up to if

1606
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:49,760
people want to reach out on my

1607
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,640
professional website um

1608
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,480
at harvard university

1609
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:56,720
there are two websites one of them has

1610
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,680
my image on the top right and under it

1611
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:01,839
you will see a lot of videos from recent

1612
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,280
appearances but also the opinion essays

1613
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,359
that i write every few days you can

1614
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,960
click on that there is a listing of all

1615
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,280
of them and you can pretty much stay up

1616
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,640
to date and

1617
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,319
of course my book extraterrestrial

1618
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,040
appeared a year ago i'm now working on a

1619
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,680
follow-up uh so stay tuned for that in a

1620
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,680
year or so

1621
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,440
lots of things are happening it's it's

1622
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,799
really exciting

1623
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,880
it's awesome i love it

1624
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,640
you heard it here first guys another

1625
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,680
book coming from avilo avi thank you so

1626
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,760
much for joining us again on somewhere

1627
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,520
in the skies we're going to let you go

1628
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,240
here and bring in luis and we thank him

1629
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,480
for all his help but please have a great

1630
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,079
afternoon good luck with the rest of

1631
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,400
your interviews and uh keep up the

1632
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,680
amazing work

1633
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,200
good to see you avi

1634
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,640
thanks for hosting me

1635
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,960
thank you

1636
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,200
wow it's so good

1637
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,359
who doesn't love it

1638
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,920
and you know as professionals chrissy

1639
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,400
and i we over prepare for every

1640
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,039
interview always yeah i had 50 more

1641
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,440
questions from patreon members listeners

1642
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,520
in the chat here and i do apologize guys

1643
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,119
again it's hard like we have such

1644
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:11,520
limited time um but i think he really

1645
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,119
covered a lot and it just oh god

1646
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,039
especially in like today's world like it

1647
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:19,280
just made me so hopeful of everything

1648
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,000
that he's doing um luis get your butt in

1649
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:23,680
here kidding

1650
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,109
hey guys

1651
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,200
what's up man how are you not much my

1652
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,640
girlfriend is doing an interview of a

1653
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:36,559
new employee in the background so you

1654
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,920
probably can hear her talking so i i

1655
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,240
might my questions will my answers will

1656
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,160
be as short as possible

1657
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:45,920
okay but yeah that was a great interview

1658
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,400
you guys it was awesome thank you for

1659
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,280
your help again it was like again it's

1660
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,599
so hard doing these things when you're a

1661
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,640
one or two man woman show so no we

1662
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,119
appreciate your time man um is there

1663
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,680
anything you wanted to you wanted to add

1664
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,039
about um

1665
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,200
what he brought up tonight um anything

1666
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,960
we didn't get to that you hope we can in

1667
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,160
the future

1668
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,799
and um yeah yeah let's start with that

1669
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,440
oh i would say

1670
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,839
um i'm i'm interested to see how much

1671
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,920
money he's raised so far and how long he

1672
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,440
thinks it'll take to get to that 100

1673
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,000
million mark or if there's anything that

1674
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,400
he thinks might propel that

1675
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:26,559
investor to actually pull the trigger

1676
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,839
and spend that money

1677
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,599
um so i'm interested in that aspect of

1678
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,599
it um and then the other thing i wanted

1679
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:35,839
to just touch base because he brett did

1680
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,760
pay ten dollars but the way his question

1681
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,839
was rain was a little rude

1682
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,480
so that's why we didn't ask the question

1683
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:45,359
uh but if i had to take a guess and it's

1684
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,920
a it's a decent question but just i

1685
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,760
to read this to him feels like we're

1686
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,760
accusing him of something so that's the

1687
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,359
problem with text brett we know you

1688
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:54,960
didn't mean it

1689
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,920
um but yeah let's clarify on this ravi

1690
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,559
is going to be speaking at an event

1691
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,160
i know there's not much we can share

1692
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,000
about it this is a very

1693
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,839
tight-lipped group that is um putting

1694
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:07,920
this together and they're doing that for

1695
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,960
a reason like there's a lot of uh things

1696
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,200
that have to be vetted and in sourced

1697
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,160
and and organized but um this disclosure

1698
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:18,720
symposium i know this is something the

1699
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,720
debrief is involved with again i don't

1700
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,799
know how much they can share chrissy if

1701
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,480
there is anything you can share fine if

1702
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,799
not we understand but there will be

1703
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:28,880
videos apparently um that avi is going

1704
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,280
to be looking at that's all i know as a

1705
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,480
position oh the ufo community you know i

1706
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,839
think people just stay tuned for the

1707
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,760
disclosure conference and i also just

1708
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,160
think that you know avi's there for a

1709
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,480
reason as a speaker to talk about ufos

1710
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,359
on a on a overall basis as well not just

1711
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:48,079
on specifics so i say you know people

1712
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,359
take tune and i know there's a lot of

1713
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,039
people that have conversations of what

1714
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,799
it will be and not but i think everyone

1715
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,480
just has to wait and the debriefing will

1716
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,720
be there and we're covering so that is

1717
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,799
we are a media sponsor and we will be

1718
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,960
covering the event as well so i think

1719
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:03,280
just stay tuned it's not too far away

1720
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,400
well i can i

1721
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,319
also i was just i was going to quickly

1722
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,359
add like avi doesn't know what's going

1723
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,359
on at the symposium he's just been asked

1724
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:12,799
to speak there he doesn't produce the

1725
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,200
symposium he doesn't he doesn't pick the

1726
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,039
speakers he doesn't know

1727
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,559
probably about this video that they're

1728
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,039
releasing at this thing um so i would

1729
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,599
just say take that in mind as well

1730
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,520
yeah and i think yeah that's and any

1731
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,599
speakers that are there you know being

1732
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,520
privy to anything is really difficult

1733
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:31,440
because things get leaked all the time

1734
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,480
right so

1735
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,240
i think it's just waiting and and

1736
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,000
spending the time and know that you know

1737
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,280
i nothing illegal illicit is going on so

1738
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,799
that for sure we would the debrief

1739
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,319
wouldn't be attached to that as a news

1740
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,119
outlet so rest assured on that but you

1741
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,880
know we will be covering so if you go to

1742
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,799
the debrief.org you'll be able to see

1743
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,720
all the articles and and live coverage

1744
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:52,880
when it comes to live streaming there

1745
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,520
along with myself doing interviews um so

1746
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:57,119
yeah so we'll we'll be there covering

1747
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:58,559
and avi will be there as well so i'm

1748
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,760
really looking forward to meeting him in

1749
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,680
real life which will be great digital is

1750
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,680
wonderful real life is better yeah i

1751
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,520
know totally different ball game i know

1752
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,599
that's how i felt when i first met uh

1753
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:08,960
peter robbins i was like oh my god

1754
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,200
you're here

1755
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,039
oh i love the comment obvious hot

1756
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,960
obviously

1757
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,960
i saw that pop up so much and i like

1758
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,520
giggle to myself you have to

1759
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,079
abby and obviously i talked a little off

1760
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,240
air about um him going to all these big

1761
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,720
events schmoozing with you know rich

1762
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,640
people trying to get money and she's

1763
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,799
like you be careful out there you're

1764
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:32,880
you're a wanted man and i think some of

1765
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,039
our audience would have to agree i mean

1766
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,599
there's nothing sexier than a

1767
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,319
intelligent mind in my opinion and i'm

1768
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:42,160
sure a lot of you out there unless

1769
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,680
you're all um very surface level people

1770
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:46,720
um

1771
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,359
yeah yeah nothing sexier than a brain

1772
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,440
yeah a hundred percent

1773
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,440
um i'm just looking at the start thing

1774
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,839
that's not not as funny as this comment

1775
01:07:04,230 --> 01:06:57,119
though

1776
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,430
um

1777
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,280
i hope we don't get flagged for that

1778
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:08,640
that

1779
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,039
not getting a flag

1780
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,880
sometimes moments are allowed to be kept

1781
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,559
to yourself

1782
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,400
damn it luis you failed no i'm just

1783
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:20,880
kidding no you did an incredible job man

1784
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:23,599
um well i want to ask you please on a um

1785
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,559
a more timely note you obviously you've

1786
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,520
been on vacation over at ucr well well

1787
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:32,400
deserved um the work you guys produce is

1788
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,079
incredible i'm honored to be a um a

1789
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:39,599
viewer and sometimes guest um

1790
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,839
and yeah you guys needed it and um i i

1791
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:45,760
think it's great that you're gonna take

1792
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,160
a break come back with a new format um

1793
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,480
you've already teased some of the stuff

1794
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:52,160
you guys are gonna be doing so i can't

1795
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,599
wait but

1796
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,319
but there has been some breaking news uh

1797
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,480
by our friend john greenwald and a lot

1798
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,240
of stuff going on while you've been on

1799
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,200
vacation so of course the professional

1800
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,240
and passionate person you are you said

1801
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,319
coming out coming out of the cave and

1802
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,559
i'm doing a show so can you tell us a

1803
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,640
little about this impromptu show we can

1804
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,400
expect

1805
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,040
well i i did see the the release by john

1806
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,759
greenwald and i was like oh

1807
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,520
i want to talk about that but it's too

1808
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,279
early man i literally just started my

1809
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,279
vacation and i'm like no i said i was

1810
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,359
going to take a break taking a break but

1811
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,440
i also did say that if something big

1812
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,640
happened

1813
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,799
i would come back and do a show

1814
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,960
and then we got to mcmillan's article

1815
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,199
yesterday which i thought was

1816
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,080
incredible it has big implications

1817
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,400
and crazy curious to know what's going

1818
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:44,080
to be foyed out of it

1819
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,759
um so i think i think this story is not

1820
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,759
have has had its final nail in the

1821
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,960
coffin there i think there's going to be

1822
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:52,480
a lot of other stuff that maybe we're

1823
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,199
gonna

1824
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:55,520
learn about this situation but it's just

1825
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:56,480
can you

1826
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,159
little bit about what the story is for

1827
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,560
anyone who's not aware this was you know

1828
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:05,279
something that elizondo's been preaching

1829
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,279
about for a long time now about people

1830
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,920
that messed with him when he left the

1831
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,319
pentagon when he left dod and everything

1832
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,040
um and lo and behold as usual a lot of

1833
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,880
things elizondo say

1834
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,199
says eventually comes true and we're

1835
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,080
finding out the hard way and the um

1836
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,640
disturbing way that something he did say

1837
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,319
is pretty much true so yeah could you

1838
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:28,000
would you mind giving us a little tease

1839
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,199
about what you guys would be talking

1840
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,920
about uh so basically yeah so tim did a

1841
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,080
two-year investigation into this story

1842
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,480
and this is part of the ig complaint

1843
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,880
that lou elizondo put in but a gentleman

1844
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,719
by the name of gary reed who is the head

1845
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:42,799
of counterintelligence at the department

1846
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,239
of defense um the big story here

1847
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,679
is that he

1848
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:48,960
bundled the

1849
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:51,920
the uh and that's putting it mildly he

1850
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,120
really messed up the um evacuation from

1851
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:57,199
afghanistan and the coordination of that

1852
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,080
i mean

1853
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,560
royally he

1854
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,480
there's people that have died and have

1855
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,080
been put

1856
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,040
in very terrible videos

1857
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,920
yeah no insane like but but and that had

1858
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,560
a direct connection to his incompetence

1859
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,480
on that so that to me is the biggest

1860
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,040
part of this story and then there's also

1861
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,920
sexual misconduct allegations from the

1862
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,080
same person this gentleman gary reed or

1863
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,719
yeah gary reed um and then not to be

1864
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,360
mistaken for harry reid right yes

1865
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,719
that's the last thing

1866
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,070
so that was sort of the next thing that

1867
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,280
was very disturbing about the article um

1868
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,080
that there were multiple women that have

1869
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,600
considered his

1870
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,360
advancements on them

1871
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,560
uh pretty gross and grotesque uh but but

1872
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,239
they have the fear of well if i report

1873
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,360
it then i don't get promoted promoted uh

1874
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,239
and the people there was one victim if

1875
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:55,679
we want to call her that i'm not sure

1876
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,880
but she she apparently was into it and

1877
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,520
she got promoted and she sort of reaped

1878
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,280
the rewards of playing ball with this

1879
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,840
power hungry you know

1880
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:09,920
high-level executive within the

1881
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,120
department of defense so that's a second

1882
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,000
the third thing is the ufo aspect of it

1883
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:18,400
which is this is the linchpin this was

1884
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:19,840
the guy

1885
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,040
who was basically holding a grudge

1886
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:25,040
against louis lozando this is the guy

1887
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,480
that wasn't passing along the

1888
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,320
information like he should have this is

1889
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:30,080
the guy that that

1890
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,600
that is

1891
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,920
reporting directly to susan goff and

1892
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,679
telling her

1893
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,880
that he had nothing to do with the

1894
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,199
program and this i'm curious to know if

1895
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,520
he had anything to do with deleting his

1896
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,280
emails uh that's something i want to

1897
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,800
talk to tim about and there's there's a

1898
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:46,880
lot of other things that tim couldn't

1899
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,800
put into this article so we're gonna try

1900
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,640
and get as you know as much as we can

1901
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,719
from him in the next hour uh or that for

1902
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,280
the hour that we have them um and yeah

1903
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,520
so that's the synopsis that's sort of

1904
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,360
the the you know and the thing that you

1905
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:01,440
said like

1906
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,400
you know

1907
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,400
we've gotten a lot of heat in the last

1908
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,880
in the last month uh from our louis

1909
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,040
lozando interview but i've consistently

1910
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,400
said that when it comes to the

1911
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,159
the

1912
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,159
congressional and

1913
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,640
um logistics aspect of this conversation

1914
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:20,400
he's been right every time he's

1915
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,120
predicted so many things and things that

1916
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,440
we're just not listening to him when he

1917
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,440
talks about them and this was one of

1918
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,480
them this was like he hinted like

1919
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,360
we asked him like could this information

1920
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:36,080
really be held up by an uh something as

1921
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,120
simple

1922
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,159
as an office grudge as somebody not

1923
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,400
liking somebody it's real could it be

1924
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:44,000
that and if so

1925
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,320
how absurd is that and how do we rectify

1926
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,440
things like that because if it's

1927
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,320
happening at this level to someone with

1928
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,880
the pedigree and the resume of a lou

1929
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,320
elizondo

1930
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:58,640
who else is stuff like this happening to

1931
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,760
and how do we rectify those things uh i

1932
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,080
would say it's maybe deeper than that i

1933
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,600
would there's probably that's probably

1934
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,199
imagine part of it and there's probably

1935
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,840
so much going on for sure that's gonna

1936
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,159
come to the surface but you know i was

1937
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,000
talking to tim about this too and just

1938
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,520
in general getting let go of the dod and

1939
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,080
from anywhere and being ousted is really

1940
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,840
hard like i think that's what people

1941
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,199
have to remember too like this that

1942
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,800
doesn't happen

1943
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,120
very much so for sure there's something

1944
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,120
going on and i know tim's been working

1945
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:31,040
on this story for a very long time so

1946
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,239
i'm happy that he's going to be talking

1947
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,760
about a little more in depth but for

1948
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:35,679
sure there'll be there's lags to this

1949
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,480
it's not done yet yeah and you know i

1950
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,880
think it's appropriate that we say

1951
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:43,520
grudge maybe we are looking at project

1952
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,800
grudge part two now we hear that like

1953
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,520
you know before this dude left this and

1954
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:51,920
again this is all rumor mill welcome to

1955
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:54,880
ufo twitter but um that

1956
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,440
everything he did with elizondo and

1957
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,120
everything that we

1958
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,320
want from these new pentagon groups that

1959
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,400
are going to be looking into uap

1960
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,719
everything literally everything is being

1961
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,159
funneled to

1962
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,199
who else but susan goff and we know she

1963
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,520
was tight with this dude and we know

1964
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,960
that um

1965
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:15,920
that

1966
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:19,360
anything coming out of the pentagon with

1967
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:20,960
the uap is going to be classified

1968
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:24,400
anything so it's sobering to think that

1969
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,280
way

1970
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,440
well here's the thing though is that the

1971
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:28,640
guy

1972
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,840
who

1973
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,239
essentially was going to be

1974
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,199
overseeing the aoi msg

1975
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:38,800
was gary reed

1976
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,320
he's gone good this is this is the this

1977
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,880
is the i think i think

1978
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,719
this is the reason why christopher

1979
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,560
mellon and lou elizondo a few months

1980
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,199
back were like yo this office

1981
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,560
no like we want a separate independent

1982
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,400
office because they knew it was gonna go

1983
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,800
under gary reid's supervision and with

1984
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,880
him at the head of it they knew it would

1985
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,280
probably be smacked up against the wall

1986
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:06,400
and so that's a very good reason as to

1987
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,520
why they were raising alarm bells

1988
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:12,400
and it makes sense now in retrospect um

1989
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,360
but

1990
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,960
yeah i mean oh man that's important i

1991
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,080
don't even think about that they're

1992
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,239
playing a strong game yeah yeah the

1993
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,679
strategy might change we'll see that

1994
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,520
through susan goff too and how she

1995
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,360
starts coming out when footage comes

1996
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,600
forward in new statements that's gonna

1997
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,080
change when you have uh intelligence you

1998
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,600
know obviously you're your boss and

1999
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,120
you're in cahoots with somebody and

2000
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,440
you're that close we'll see who's gonna

2001
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,679
what how her statements will evolve now

2002
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,520
i'm very curious because she's been

2003
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,440
pretty quiet after her last statements

2004
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:41,120
that came out and people ripped them

2005
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,320
apart

2006
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,400
it's not and to be honest as a pr person

2007
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,960
it's not easy it's not an easy challenge

2008
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,760
i've

2009
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,159
never had anything but a pleasurable

2010
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,320
experience uh dealing with susan goff

2011
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,239
when it comes right and i and i also

2012
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,679
think that

2013
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,440
right for sure and it's not the easiest

2014
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,760
job and remember she is the one that has

2015
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,320
to say this this is not her decision too

2016
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,320
right she is the mouthpiece and i mean

2017
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,960
that in the most nice way lack of words

2018
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,199
um in that where she's expressing this

2019
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,960
and just disseminating this information

2020
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,480
too so i'm not defending her i don't

2021
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,320
know her personally in any form but it's

2022
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,840
not the easiest job but i believe that

2023
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,520
her statements need to evolve and she

2024
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,320
should pro if she actually believes and

2025
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:22,400
understands what's going on and wants to

2026
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,239
have a little bit more transparency then

2027
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,920
she needs to start showing that and

2028
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:27,120
that's through statements on how you

2029
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,640
speak to the media and everybody else in

2030
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,040
this community so we'll see

2031
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,679
but it also shows a little bit that

2032
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,920
he's not really paying attention to this

2033
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,159
as much as we think she is because she's

2034
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,800
relying on what's being told to her and

2035
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:42,880
because gary reed told her that she had

2036
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,440
nothing to do with any of these programs

2037
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,199
she then put out a statement as that

2038
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:49,040
spokesperson saying

2039
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,480
he had nothing to do with this program

2040
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,159
and then he had to go to senator harry

2041
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,000
reid and have him write a letter

2042
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,320
literally on his deathbed to to

2043
01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:59,120
straighten up what was going on so see

2044
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:02,480
susan goff has a little bit of um

2045
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:05,280
how much power does she have though

2046
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:09,120
that's the question i know i'd like to

2047
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,560
we don't know great question i don't

2048
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,080
know but i don't know

2049
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,719
they're reporting to her though you know

2050
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,239
they're the ones reporting to her and

2051
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:18,480
she's the one making these statements

2052
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,360
so

2053
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,280
if she is formulating it and i think

2054
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,640
that's part of it it's different than

2055
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,320
being a forefront in the face of

2056
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,560
something rather than having people as a

2057
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,320
group formulating what's going to go

2058
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,760
forward in the public it's not one

2059
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,920
person doing this and i i know as a pr

2060
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,159
person it's multiple people working on

2061
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,920
statements together and this has to be

2062
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,760
passed around you have to confirm things

2063
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,760
you she just can't and if she is i would

2064
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,159
be shocked but most of the time even in

2065
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,159
a corporate section you have to be able

2066
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,679
to have everything approved before it

2067
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,199
goes forward and i would imagine in a

2068
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,360
topic like this she's not the one

2069
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,120
writing all of it i would imagine that

2070
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:53,360
there's other ghostwriters too so again

2071
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:55,840
not defending her but knowing knowing pr

2072
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,679
and knowing how it works internally

2073
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,000
there's way more players and we'll you

2074
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:01,840
know again like the story's not done yet

2075
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,199
well and there's going to be more

2076
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,600
oh sorry

2077
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:09,679
yeah yeah yeah go ahead you go oh we had

2078
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:24,950
i was just gonna say

2079
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,080
this new group or groups um we're not

2080
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,000
talking anymore of like

2081
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:32,800
you know just elizondo like the one-man

2082
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:35,600
team over at atip or whatnot like we're

2083
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,239
talking about an actually fully formed

2084
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,560
group that's gonna be involved in this

2085
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,400
so you're right chrissy like there are

2086
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:44,239
gonna be different opinions and voices

2087
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,679
involved um you know i really hope

2088
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,520
everything gillibrand brought forward is

2089
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:51,840
going to remain in play with all this we

2090
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,080
still don't really know like is it gonna

2091
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,760
be two separate groups are they gonna

2092
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,480
emerge what's it gonna be who's gonna

2093
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,719
like you know be the rebellious one to

2094
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:03,040
be like uh uh uh-uh no we owe this to

2095
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,080
the public

2096
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,239
we don't know like it's uncertain of

2097
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,480
what any of this is going to be and as

2098
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,880
the public we just kind of have to wait

2099
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,679
to see what that next um report is like

2100
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,880
will it be

2101
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,880
the classified version that greenwald

2102
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:18,640
released of like

2103
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,440
50 million redactions or will

2104
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,520
something like the big phone home 3

2105
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,920
again like hammer these people and get

2106
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,080
more congressional people to be like

2107
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:30,960
enough enough of like the corrupt nature

2108
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,280
of everything and like just be

2109
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,600
transparent with the public again we

2110
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,080
know national security is of an issue we

2111
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,239
understand that but you can't say that

2112
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,840
100 of what you're going to be looking

2113
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,480
into is classified that's ridiculous

2114
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,000
yeah and i don't think we're asking for

2115
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:48,320
them to divulge national security that's

2116
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:51,760
never especially right now exactly yeah

2117
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,320
and i know it's an unfortunate time that

2118
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,199
like the uap thing is so big when like

2119
01:20:03,030 --> 01:19:59,280
we're dealing with highly sensitive

2120
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,040
national security um you know whether

2121
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,600
in europe or here and that always

2122
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:07,520
frustrates me that it seems like the uap

2123
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:10,880
topic just starts to catch like you know

2124
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:14,880
major waves when other really big things

2125
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:17,199
overshadow it so yeah i don't think

2126
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,960
we'll go through ebbs and flows i think

2127
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,800
it's natural to go through flows and

2128
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,560
like personally i feel that the ukraine

2129
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,560
stuff should shadow it right now i'm

2130
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,400
okay with that absolutely right

2131
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,679
absolutely right and we there's still

2132
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,120
information that can come forward and we

2133
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,719
can still talk about it and report about

2134
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,639
it but yeah like what's going on around

2135
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,480
the world right now you know ufos can

2136
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,560
take a little bit of a back seat but it

2137
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,840
obviously it's not going to we're not

2138
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,600
going to stop asking questions you know

2139
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,120
i understand that major media is going

2140
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:43,440
to focus on something that is obviously

2141
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:46,159
happening to us on our own planet so it

2142
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,520
makes sense but it doesn't mean that

2143
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:49,280
yeah people that are having youtube

2144
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,719
shows and people that are reporting

2145
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,400
about this just don't stop because

2146
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:54,080
there's always going to be conversations

2147
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:55,280
you know and

2148
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:56,239
and

2149
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,320
will let you guys go after i ask you

2150
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,480
this um unless there's anything else you

2151
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,400
want to cover and i have to ask this

2152
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,080
because it's been on my mind for a while

2153
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:09,920
and i haven't really like talked about

2154
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,239
it with anyone

2155
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,960
all of this all of it ever since the new

2156
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,440
york times ever since elizondo left ever

2157
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,760
since we're hearing it's not china it's

2158
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,719
not russia it's not u.s tech um

2159
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,600
we've learned ever since the public

2160
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,840
first learned about the crisis in

2161
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:30,000
ukraine um

2162
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:30,960
that

2163
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,760
we knew this was coming ukraine knew

2164
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,360
this was coming they have been talking

2165
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:37,840
about it for a long time that this is

2166
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,120
going to happen um you know and

2167
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,920
biden said it is it is um in a speech

2168
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,159
like we were aware uh we had a lot of

2169
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,320
intelligence about this and

2170
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,239
a lot of went into it preparing blah

2171
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,480
blah blah um

2172
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,159
if you're thinking they were aware of

2173
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,880
this maybe one or two years three years

2174
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,320
ahead of time that

2175
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,239
something like this was inevitably going

2176
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,400
to happen um

2177
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,560
lo and behold it's the same time that

2178
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:06,800
all of this uap stuff starts coming out

2179
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,040
and we start hearing it's not russia

2180
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,760
it's not china it's not the us tech

2181
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:12,960
again

2182
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,760
is this all somehow connected i don't

2183
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:17,440
want to go into that big

2184
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,800
tin foil hat area but it does make me

2185
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:23,280
wonder you know why did people come out

2186
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,120
and say um

2187
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,639
this highly advanced technology is not

2188
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,719
one of the major players in this war

2189
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:33,520
going on right now um and it's not the

2190
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,320
other

2191
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,480
superpower that is

2192
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,880
pretty darn close to that other

2193
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,199
superpower um and then we're over here

2194
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,239
saying it ain't us um when in reality

2195
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,000
maybe some of it is us and this is our

2196
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,719
way of being like we got our eyes on you

2197
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,520
okay i know i'm blabbing and i know

2198
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,679
there may be nothing to this but it does

2199
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,920
make me wonder it really really does

2200
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:58,239
yeah i still i am not opposed to it

2201
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:02,000
being internal tech like i'm i'm not

2202
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,360
misinformation campaign's been

2203
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,040
campaign's been going on for years so i

2204
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,480
think it's still a possibility it's

2205
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,000
still plausible we just won't find out

2206
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,840
until later if it is

2207
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,520
i would say for russia again i am not a

2208
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,040
defense reporter this is where great

2209
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:15,040
question asked him uh at the debrief

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01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:16,560
about this there you go louise there's

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one yeah

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01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,920
but i would say that from what i know

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01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,600
and what i've been following tim and and

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01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,360
following all of this with him you know

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01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,360
just alongside him while he's reporting

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01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:27,679
and just reading it i don't think it's

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01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,840
russian you know they would be using it

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01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:32,400
by now no exactly so we would know that

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01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,159
they would be using that tech if

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01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,000
anything to fight this war so we don't

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01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,080
think it's russia china yeah for sure

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01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:40,239
you know it's still a major possibility

2223
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,679
like their drone supremacy and

2224
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,800
everything else with them is

2225
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:45,040
unbelievable and where they're going and

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01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,960
what they're building so that's an eye

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01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,040
there too but yeah it can be internal

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01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:51,120
and i i would never hold it against the

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01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,880
state well i say hold it against them

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01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,960
but i would wouldn't be surprised if it

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01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,679
wasn't the states uh doing it you know

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01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,520
and it yeah i think we have to be

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01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,199
mindful of all of it because why can't

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01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,600
it be internal tech why some of it might

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01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:05,280
be foreign adversaries at one point in

2236
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,719
time maybe not right now um or and be

2237
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,239
ufos i you know i've been saying this

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01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,760
for the longest time

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01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,760
like i'm like yeah i've been saying the

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01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:15,360
beginning like why not i'm like we have

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01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,800
to be open-minded it's not black and

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01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,120
white or one or the other yeah exactly

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01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,440
and we might find out more so

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01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,360
you know here's just hoping and then we

2245
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:25,280
just keep reporting

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01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,639
yeah i agree i i'll never put uh

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01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:31,440
anything past the possibility of human

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01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,560
ingenuity

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01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,120
so exactly that's for sure but um just

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01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,840
real quick going back i mean the

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01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,400
the timing of it ryan

2252
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,040
i think it's just gross coincidence you

2253
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,920
know stuff happens around the world all

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01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:47,040
the time

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01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,800
major things happen around the world all

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01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,560
the time if it wasn't going to be

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01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:53,280
afghanistan it would be you know just

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01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:54,639
what happened in new york city over the

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01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,719
weekend or right um you know

2260
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,880
anything i mean when when we had you

2261
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,800
know the last big phone home the

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01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,719
two weeks a week and a half before the

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01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:07,040
afghani refugee crisis happened so it

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01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:08,080
was like

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01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,760
why are you guys being so insensitive

2266
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,679
hey when is a good time to talk about

2267
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,840
this like there's a world that goes off

2268
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,920
there's always gonna be stuff going on

2269
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,159
if you're but try to be aware and try be

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01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,679
sensitive to it is the best thing you

2271
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,880
can do but

2272
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:22,080
there's

2273
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,280
you can't predict world events so um

2274
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,360
well i think the best thing yeah i think

2275
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,360
the best thing you can do is yeah is it

2276
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,960
even acknowledge that like what you're

2277
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,639
doing is saying like this is happening

2278
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:35,199
around the world and then also so people

2279
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,639
have a little bit of an update what's

2280
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,560
going on in other countries

2281
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,400
like gosh there's so many other

2282
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,000
countries outside of the ukraine right

2283
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,560
now that are in horrible conditions

2284
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,719
so and like dealing with civil wars

2285
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,800
internal wars you know still battling

2286
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,960
with yeah yeah exactly so it's

2287
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,199
domestically speaking there's a ton of

2288
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,880
people in pain

2289
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,880
like real world pain

2290
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,560
so this conversation is always going to

2291
01:26:01,750 --> 01:26:00,000
be inconvenient

2292
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:01,760
yeah so i think acknowledging what's

2293
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,679
happening currently in current events on

2294
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,960
our own planet and what's happening

2295
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,719
makes sense and then moving into the

2296
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,639
topic that is ufos because the average

2297
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,639
person that might be watching the show

2298
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:13,120
is consumed with ufos which makes sense

2299
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,880
but they might miss that topic that's

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01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,480
happening in the world so i think that

2301
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:18,159
there's there's a place for both of it

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01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,600
and i don't think it's insensitive

2303
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,520
depending if you acknowledge it if you

2304
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,280
just acknowledge it then yeah i can i

2305
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:25,280
can see that but you know again there's

2306
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,560
always going to be something happening

2307
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,159
and there's always a conversation right

2308
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,880
now around ufos so

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01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:32,880
well real quick i wanted to get back to

2310
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,400
two things this using golf related um i

2311
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,080
would have liked to seen a correction

2312
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:40,159
out of her office from a pr perspective

2313
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,520
making a correction on what you said

2314
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,760
about louis lozando and apologizing for

2315
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:45,600
that i think would have been

2316
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,880
appropriate probably won't see that

2317
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:48,159
especially one

2318
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:57,270
military like looking at like defense pr

2319
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:59,199
and and anything in the dod is very

2320
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,639
different than how they you would do

2321
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,480
average pr like for our side with

2322
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,080
consumer brands or you know corporate

2323
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,400
companies there are different tactics i

2324
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,239
don't think that they should be all the

2325
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,480
time i'm i'm very much for transparency

2326
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,199
to when you can but you won't see a st

2327
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,040
you won't see her apologize because then

2328
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,040
it just means they're guilty you know it

2329
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,199
always right so it it leads to that but

2330
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,719
if anything what they'll do is you know

2331
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:22,400
maybe change their strategy going

2332
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,040
forward and and hopefully do better but

2333
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:27,199
they won't see a redaction i i if they

2334
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:28,239
do then

2335
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,800
i'll be very surprised i'll eat my words

2336
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,440
what i was what i was gonna say is you

2337
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,679
know would be a great pr move and this

2338
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,440
is something that christopher mellon

2339
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,080
hinted at in one of his blogs

2340
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,880
is giving louis lozando his old job back

2341
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:47,920
in this opening at the air at the aoi

2342
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,639
msg and the dod being the that the

2343
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,040
the head of counter intelligence just

2344
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:58,400
got fired and lou's old job was counter

2345
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,120
intelligence

2346
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,600
do not be shocked if lou ends up

2347
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:06,800
stepping into that role

2348
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:08,800
it would be how you imagine absolutely

2349
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:11,440
the same week as the because

2350
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:13,600
it just clicked in my head like oh my

2351
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,440
god this could be

2352
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,920
they probably saw this coming a couple

2353
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,520
of months in advance they knew this was

2354
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:21,760
what the investigation was about and

2355
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:24,239
that article i think is a lobby to be

2356
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:25,679
like hey

2357
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:28,159
this guy would be perfect for the job he

2358
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,679
could do your counter intelligence i

2359
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,159
think he'd be like if lou lazando was in

2360
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,320
charge of the afghan

2361
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,320
evacuation

2362
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:39,040
i i think he i don't know we we don't

2363
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,199
know but i feel like he'd do a better

2364
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,520
job than what gary reid did and that was

2365
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,000
the reason he got fired i know for sure

2366
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,520
louis lozano is not going to go around

2367
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:49,120
sexually harassing people at the

2368
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,120
department of defense i i mean and

2369
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:54,960
gary reed would have been in charge of

2370
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:57,360
the aoi msg which he

2371
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,080
is essentially a beefed up upgraded

2372
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,480
version of ayton

2373
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:04,080
it's a perfect fit

2374
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,760
yeah and the other question is what else

2375
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,440
happened this is just from what tim

2376
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:10,400
knows it's like what else is going on

2377
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:12,480
like what again i think the story like

2378
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,840
what else is going to come forward what

2379
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,600
didn't make it into that article what

2380
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:18,320
did it yeah and what is part two

2381
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,679
well hey

2382
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:21,440
i hope we're gonna learn in a couple

2383
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:24,639
hours over on ucr listen guys i've taken

2384
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,360
up

2385
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,520
so much of your time we go live in 20

2386
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,440
minutes oh my god get out of here let's

2387
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:31,600
go yeah we're hanging up go get ready

2388
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,639
for ucr everyone go hop over to ucr

2389
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:36,719
channel for the first video you will see

2390
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,080
over there it's so good to see the

2391
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,159
notifications pop up again i'm not gonna

2392
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,080
lie made my day made my day but i have

2393
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,000
to go to work now so i'll have to watch

2394
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:45,840
the archive but um

2395
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:48,320
of course tell us where we can find ucr

2396
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:50,639
louise and uh chrissy please let us know

2397
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,239
where you can find your stuff as well

2398
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:54,080
luis go ahead my man

2399
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:55,920
uh yeah you can just

2400
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,400
type unidentified celebrity review and

2401
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:00,080
you'll find it on youtube we're almost

2402
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,000
at 10 000 subscribers or

2403
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,080
couple a handful away

2404
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,920
so uh yeah if you haven't subscribed go

2405
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:07,360
over subscribe uh we're gonna be talking

2406
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,800
to mcmillan today we come back

2407
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:11,280
officially uh with our weekly shows on

2408
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:15,440
the 28th of this month so in uh in in

2409
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,320
almost two weeks um so yeah we're we're

2410
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,120
stoked man we're excited that's exciting

2411
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,440
thanks brother all right yes get out of

2412
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:25,679
here go get ready thank you for your

2413
01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:27,679
invaluable help and assistance and uh

2414
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,150
we'll talk soon bye louise have fun

2415
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,880
[Laughter]

2416
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,280
chrissy let us know what's coming up

2417
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,280
where we can find your stuff and yeah

2418
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,960
now now i can i've been saying it to you

2419
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,560
a little bit on twitter uh i'm

2420
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:42,800
interviewing sarah sieger from mit about

2421
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:45,760
exoplanets so i'm yeah i'm super i'm so

2422
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,159
excited she's also canadian so like

2423
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,800
canadian women right here i know i i

2424
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,960
think i'm just collecting them

2425
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,040
yes i know you're starting now it's

2426
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:56,960
amazing i'm sorry canadian collection of

2427
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,760
people that love science and ufos uh and

2428
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:02,080
i will be i have been talking to randall

2429
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,920
nickerson so from that's doing the

2430
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:06,000
aerial school so we will have something

2431
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:08,000
hopefully on that too and then i will

2432
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,239
too at the debrief so take a look at

2433
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:12,080
that the aerial phenomenon movie that's

2434
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:13,679
going to be coming out at some point we

2435
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:15,920
don't i don't have a release date i know

2436
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:18,800
um so i'm excited for that so just yeah

2437
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:20,560
just stay tuned stay tuned here stay

2438
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:22,960
tuned at thedebrief.org and head over to

2439
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,880
our youtube channel and you can see some

2440
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,159
some great interviews that will come out

2441
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,520
there shortly so perfect thank you thank

2442
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:31,920
you chrissy as always great conversation

2443
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:33,199
all of your help for putting this

2444
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,440
together um i'll let you go i'm going to

2445
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:37,760
talk shop for a little bit and uh we

2446
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,400
will talk soon okay sounds good bye guys

2447
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,430
awesome and then there was one guys

2448
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:47,679
thank you thank you for joining us today

2449
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,480
that was incredible avi just uh i could

2450
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,320
listen to him for 10 more hours and we

2451
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:54,880
will on future episodes so uh before i

2452
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:56,800
let all of you go thank you thank you

2453
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,880
for watching thank you for the super

2454
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,960
chats for all the amazing questions i do

2455
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:02,880
apologize if we didn't get to them all

2456
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:05,520
that's why avi will come back he always

2457
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,080
does he's incredible with his time um

2458
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,040
but of course little talk shop um i'm to

2459
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,120
put some links below for some events i'm

2460
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,040
going to be speaking at in the very near

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01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:17,760
future in august and september one in

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01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:20,080
missouri and one in michigan so check

2463
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:21,840
those links below i'm going to edit them

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01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:23,840
in right after this if you're not

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01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:26,239
subscribed to the channel please do that

2466
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:27,920
and click the notification button as

2467
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2468
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:33,199
treading behind the ucr getting up to

2469
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,639
that 10k subscription so um thank you

2470
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:38,080
thank you to everyone who has made this

2471
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,159
show possible uh thank you to our guest

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avi loeb to luis to chrissy to all of

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you for being here uh we're on twitter

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at summer skies instagram summer skies

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pod uh there is a somewhere in the skies

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discord channel now so you can head over

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there link should be below as well

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and other than that guys thank you thank

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you for everything the podcast is um

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every week you can find it wherever you

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get your shows and we've got some

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awesome awesome stuff coming up in the

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very near future so i'm gonna say good

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afternoon good night good morning to

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everyone around the world thank you for

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joining us again on somewhere in the

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skies and we will talk soon all right

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hey guys ryan here the summer in the

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skies podcast is a labor of love every

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week and with that comes many different

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costs to keep the show running that's

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where our patreon campaign comes in you

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give what you think the show is worth

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there's different rewards available all

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the time including shout outs on the

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show early editions of main episodes

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bonus episodes and content and very soon

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monthly patron hangouts where we sit

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back and chat all things ufos so i hope

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you'll consider becoming a patreon

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subscriber today to learn more and to

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join visit patreon.com